Podcast: Z.ai, inside one of China's top AI companies

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Watch or listen to the High Capacity podcast on:YouTubeApple PodcastsSpotifyThis episode, I talk with Zixuan Li at Z.ai, one of China’s top AI labs and the company behind the popular GLM models. Zixuan is Z.ai’s Director of Product for genAI strategy and global partnerships. We discuss Z.ai’s newest flagship AI model, the challenges of building agentic AI models, and what their longer AI strategy looks like.Links:Z.aiGLM-5.1: Towards Long-Horizon TasksZixuan’s X/TwitterTranscriptKyle Chan (00:00)Welcome to the High Capacity Podcast. I’m your host, Kyle Chan, a fellow at Brookings. I’m thrilled to be joined today by my guest, Zixuan Li, who is Director of Product for Generative AI Strategy and Global Partnerships and more at z.ai, also known as Zhipu in China, which is one of China’s top AI labs and the company behind the GLM foundation models. Welcome, Zixuan, and thanks for coming on the show.Zixuan Li (00:27)Thank you, Kyle.Kyle Chan (00:29)I have to start by asking you about the newest GLM model, the newest flagship GLM model, 5.1. What are its strengths? What can it do? What are its unique features? Anything that you can share with us at this point, because we’re recording before the official launch.Zixuan Li (00:50)First of all, GLM 5.1 will be a solid model on par with Opus 4.6, so it’s very strong in coding, agentic tasks, but also in general conversation, Q&A, and deep research capability. I think it’s on par with frontier models. Because GLM 5 is so strong in coding, many people regard GLM as a coding model, but it’s not, frankly speaking. We optimize in all aspect…